I can prove christianity is fake

Date: 16-09-2010 9:36 am (13 years ago) | Author: benti Adex
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- at 16-09-2010 09:36 AM (13 years ago)
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I have noticed that most of the time christians find it hard proving the existence of their God or originality of their religion to others who really question it. So, I have set this topic up for them to come and enjoy being in the rear seat of a fast moving train. Lessing your burden, I with all other interested parties will show you that Christianity is fake. I also know that islam is fake too, but i dont mind the help of the Muslims, for now, to show also why they know christianity is fake. You may think am against the christians. Trully I am against lies. If I am wrong, then i will be punished. If i am right, they you will have learnt truth. My only personal gain here is to know that i have contributed to freeing my peoples from bondage of the mind. let's rock!!

Posted: at 16-09-2010 09:36 AM (13 years ago) | Gistmaniac
- demolaa at 16-09-2010 10:08 AM (13 years ago)
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you are yet to convince us with any evidence that these religion are truly fake.if you can provide incontrovertible  evidence, then you'll have succeeded in liberating the minds of millions of people.this is a challenge i doubt u can win. 
Posted: at 16-09-2010 10:08 AM (13 years ago) | Newbie
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- democrazy at 16-09-2010 10:47 AM (13 years ago)
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@Demolaa, so as to relax your mind and that of others that will want to participate, i'll give you these quotes from the same Christian bible.........

Psalm 51:6

Behold, You desire truth in the inward parts, And in the hidden part You will make me to know wisdom.

Mathew 10:26

"Therefore do not fear them. For there is nothing covered that will not be revealed, and hidden that will not be known.
Posted: at 16-09-2010 10:47 AM (13 years ago) | Gistmaniac
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- ezriano at 16-09-2010 04:34 PM (13 years ago)
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Guy u r seeking attention.
Posted: at 16-09-2010 04:34 PM (13 years ago) | Newbie
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- democrazy at 16-09-2010 05:29 PM (13 years ago)
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I'll just ignore your ezriano. you are free to roam around as much as you want............

Let's rock!

The religion Christianity came into existence through the belief in the bible. The Christian religion is dependent on the existence of the bible.  The existence of the bible means the Christian religion is authenticated with history and possibly facts.  If the bible is not original and can be proven as not being genuinely what it purports to be or is shown to be fake, then the religion dependent on it will suffer the same fate i.e. will be false.
Christianity (from the Greek word Xριστός, Khristos, "Christ", literally "anointed one") is a monotheistic religion[1] based on the life and teachings of Jesus of Nazareth as presented in the New Testament.[2] Christianity comprises three major branches: Roman Catholicism and Eastern Orthodoxy (the two split from one another in 1054 A.D.), and Protestantism (which came into existence during the Protestant Reformation of the 16th century).[3] Protestantism is further divided into smaller groups called denominations.

PICKING A START POINT WILL NEED TO BE DEFINED.
The first recorded use of the term “Christian” is in the New Testament of the bible, in Acts 11:26, which states "...in Antioch the disciples were first called Christians." The second mention of the term follows in Acts 26:28, where Herod Agrippa II replies to Paul the Apostle, "Do you think that in such a short time you can persuade me to be a Christian?" The third and final New Testament reference to the term is in 1 Peter 4:16, which exhorts believers, "...if you suffer as a Christian, do not be ashamed, but praise God that you bear that name".
The earliest occurrences of the term in non-Christian literature include Josephus, referring to "the tribe of Christians, so named from him;" Pliny the Younger in correspondence with Trajan; and Tacitus, writing near the end of the first century. In the Annals, he relates that "by vulgar appellation [they were] commonly called Christians” and identifies Christians as Nero's scapegoats for the Great Fire of Rome.
Antioch on the Orontes (Greek: Ἀντιόχεια ἡ ἐπὶ Δάφνῃ, Ἀντιόχεια ἡ ἐπὶ Ὀρόντου or Ἀντιόχεια ἡ Μεγάλη; Armenian: Անտիոք; Latin: Antiochia ad Orontem; Arabic:انطاکیه, Antakya; also Great Antioch or Syrian Antioch) was an ancient city on the eastern side of the Orontes River. It is near the modern city of Antakya, Turkey. Founded near the end of the 4th century BC by Seleucus I Nicator, one of Alexander the Great's generals, Antioch eventually rivalled Alexandria as the chief city of the Near East and was a cradle of gentile Christianity. It was one of the four cities of the Syrian tetrapolis. Its residents were known as Antiochenes. Once a great metropolis of a half million people, it declined during the Middle Ages and was eventually deserted because of repeated earthquakes, military conflicts and the silting-up of its river port.
From these I am sure you will agree with me that it is best to put in mind the time frame when the word Christianity came to existence by knowing when Antioch existed, the time frame when the apostles where called Christians, and the period when Jesus lived. Not that we will not delve also into the history of God’s people as stated in the bible. But here I feel the starting point of Christianity can be identified. In case you are not aware, Alexander the Great live between 331-143BC whilst Jesus was born in 6 BC (Or round about then). We will check all this out by time lines, rulers, and activities of the time. I will need you to be patient as all these will somehow lead us back to Egypt.
Posted: at 16-09-2010 05:29 PM (13 years ago) | Gistmaniac
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- democrazy at 16-09-2010 05:50 PM (13 years ago)
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So this process is smooth...............i will always break for instant objections to my statements.

Does anyone object to;

The definition of Christianity.
The major branches of christianity.
The time the name was first mentioned.
The description of Antioch.(Created around 400BC)
The statement of Josephus(37 – c.100 AD/CE).
The reference off Pliny the Younger(61 AD to 112 AD), Trajan(18 Sept 53AD – 9 Aug 117AD), and Publius (or Gaius) Cornelius Tacitus (AD 56 – AD 117)
The existence of Alexander III of Macedon (356–323 BC).

I will soon continue if no objections.

Posted: at 16-09-2010 05:50 PM (13 years ago) | Gistmaniac
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- ajepakoromance at 16-09-2010 07:02 PM (13 years ago)
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@democrazy..Why do you need to prove to people that religion and all its divisions are false?..

1,religious leaders, either christian or islame are under their govt. payroll, as agent and informant.This is a fact i can proof..The religious leaders in the new testament co side with Pilate to kill Jesus..

2,All the new age or democratic religious leaders are masonic or occult members..They practice homosegxwality and virgin child ritual..This is why they travel frequently to Rome..As they say,by their fruit you shall know them.How can a man forget their path so soon?.Its impossible unless if their way is unclean..This is why your politician and religious leaders are so corrupt,bcus they are under oath to their lodges not to their own people..

3,Rotary and lions club are 5th degree masonic lodges..Every know nigeria religious leaders are members of this lodges.let me stop here on provable facts and reality and lets face history and literature..

I,The bible claims that,its Moses that wrote the first five book of the old testament..How then did Moses wrote about its own death with accuracy? in the book of deuteronomy?.

2, In cambridge history of language  and word etimology, the letter J is a 15 and 16 centuries letter..How is it that,almost every name and cities in the bible begins with letter J,and we are told that, the bible is over 2000yrs. old.

Finally lets go into human behavior and psychology,

1,Emotion is human nature,bcus of our mental consciousness..Why is it that religious God is so emotionally phyuked up?..Hmm!!, will b back, need to warm up..
 
Posted: at 16-09-2010 07:02 PM (13 years ago) | Upcoming
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- ajepakoromance at 16-09-2010 07:19 PM (13 years ago)
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@democrazy,Why do you need to prove to the people that, religion and all its divisions are false?.

Bcus the reason for our problem today is religion..It held us in a motionless and anti nature state..Anything against nature will surely die..No mater how strong a man is,they can't swim against the current of the ocean..So is nature..Bcus of religion we are living our life in contrary to the laws of nature and the result is death..This is the cause of our problem as a people..Once we are free from religious mentality,our spirit will re connect itself back to life and nature..

How can we justify the bleaching of the African skin that causes skin and blood cancers among our people and how can we justify the abnormal fashion called wigs and weave-on by our woman which is number cause of Bosom  cancer among the African woman,yet this behavior is most popular among the religious people..What are those?..

Brother you need to preach and those who have ear will learn and listen..
Posted: at 16-09-2010 07:19 PM (13 years ago) | Upcoming
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- democrazy at 16-09-2010 08:02 PM (13 years ago)
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@Pako.......thanks for honoring me with your presence. As usual, it is one of the main tools of mind control.

To prove christianity false is easy, but to free the people's mind is a difficult action. For them to fully regain consciousness they have to understand the racist motive behind all this. I will do what i need to show them how the Talmud, Bible, Quran, and most science took what where of the black nation and doctored it through lack of understanding to create the evolution of their own civilization.
Posted: at 16-09-2010 08:02 PM (13 years ago) | Gistmaniac
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- chik001 at 16-09-2010 11:09 PM (13 years ago)
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Here we go again. Grin
Now , lets get this right; what are you trying to debunk, God, Jesus The Christ, Christianity or Christians? because, they are attached to each other, and one cannot be fake without the other;
...or are you in the same boat with people who said there is no God?
Posted: at 16-09-2010 11:09 PM (13 years ago) | Gistmaniac
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- derbi at 17-09-2010 12:06 AM (13 years ago)
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funny people  Grin, u want to prove christianity is fake, u want to prove God fake is that what u mean? ok, mr poster how can u convince me that u are humanbeing since i am not seeing u from here, ok how can i be sure if i am talking to a human being or one beast or one devil? writeing from the pit of hell to decieve the children of God, hahaha may God have mercy on u guys....
Posted: at 17-09-2010 12:06 AM (13 years ago) | Gistmaniac
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- ajepakoromance at 17-09-2010 09:34 AM (13 years ago)
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funny people  Grin, u want to prove christianity is fake, u want to prove God fake is that what u mean? ok, mr poster how can u convince me that u are humanbeing since i am not seeing u from here, ok how can i be sure if i am talking to a human being or one beast or one devil? writeing from the pit of hell to decieve the children of God, hahaha may God have mercy on u guys....


 Huh?  Huh?  Huh? ,Hy!!!!, Are you human or not?..Maybe you are ghost urself..
Posted: at 17-09-2010 09:34 AM (13 years ago) | Upcoming
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- Demiroee at 17-09-2010 09:43 AM (13 years ago)
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Guy u r seeking attention
Posted: at 17-09-2010 09:43 AM (13 years ago) | Upcoming
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- abduuul at 17-09-2010 11:44 AM (13 years ago)
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Here you come Again!! Smiley  Aha!!!  I now got my Answer that you refuse to tell me in my article "Muhammad in Torah and Gospel".
You are Neither a Christian nor a Muslim, in fact u have No Religion. Any way, For your own information you can only proofs Christianity as a false religion, which was Already proofed. But You cannot Proof that Islam also is a false religion. This is Because if You can Go and find the history and how Islam comes about and the Holy Qur'an, you will never find any confusion in it. Let me Give you Time to relax to go into research as you do for Christianity.  Remember this is just the beginning.........

Till we meet again.. Lips Sealed Lips Sealed Lips Sealed Lips Sealed
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- democrazy at 17-09-2010 02:39 PM (13 years ago)
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@abduuul, If Religion is a set of belief and culture. Then you are wrong about me. I do have things I belief in. If religion is about believing in a supernatural being i.e God, Bhudda, Allah, etc.......then you are right about me. I have no time for such nonsence, which is why you and I are here. Am here to clean out your brainwashing. Also no need saying christianity is false and Islam is true without voicing the fact or wisdom you have. I assure you that Islam only differs from Christianity because of the Story of Jesus(Anubi Isa), Mohammed and Gospel or Hadith. Everything else ranging from History of creation is same.

@Demiroee

thanks for taking a seat. Am sure you wont be disappointed.

@chik001
 
I do understand what you mean by God, Jesus Christ, Christianity or Christians are all attached together.  We need to understand the difference in dependent and non-dependent occurrence, activities, or events. To fully explain this we will have to go back directly to the beginning.
 
WHY?

The Christian is dependent on the existence of Christianity as a religion. The existence of Christianity is dependent on the death and resurrection of the Messiah called Jesus Christ. The existence of Jesus Christ depends on God existing.

I want to be sure you agree with my statement of dependency. If no objections I will continue shortly........................
Posted: at 17-09-2010 02:39 PM (13 years ago) | Gistmaniac
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- josiahlawson at 17-09-2010 03:14 PM (13 years ago)
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Democrazy i believe that your problem is knowing God and not religion, faith in what you believe in is neither true or false is just that you lack the will to know what is good for you need less to talk of others, just in case you don't know let me tell you, many have died for what you are joking with now and many are still dying for what they believe in, do you believe that you are right? if Yes then do this below.

1.     can you die for what you believe now?

2.     If Yes why do you hide your face from people?

3.     Prove your points from your source only and not on other document you call fake, because if its fake why use them?

4.     How Old are you to know about something that happened about 2000 years ago? Please prove how you were born first before
        the later

Do this and maybe you will find repentance................... I Still Love You with all my Heart But God Loves You Best.

best regards
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- democrazy at 17-09-2010 04:33 PM (13 years ago)
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@josiahlawson

i will answer your questions if that's what youre after......

1.     can you die for what you believe now? ------------ humans die everyday for nothing. What do you think?

2.     If Yes why do you hide your face from people?....................have you asked to see me and i refused? or has anyone told you am in hiding?

3.     Prove your points from your source only and not on other document you call fake, because if its fake why use them? --- to tell a fake, you need to compare it to something true.

4.     How Old are you to know about something that happened about 2000 years ago? Please prove how you were born first before
        the later..................Am sure you will agree tthat i need not prove to you that i was born of my mother. Where you not born of you mother?

Since i've answered your question. Please take your seat and stop your pointless blackmail. If you are not happy, pray to God. He will give you happiness.
Posted: at 17-09-2010 04:33 PM (13 years ago) | Gistmaniac
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- chik001 at 17-09-2010 07:01 PM (13 years ago)
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Quote from: democrazy on 17-09-2010 02:39 PM
@abduuul, If Religion is a set of belief and culture. Then you are wrong about me. I do have things I belief in. If religion is about believing in a supernatural being i.e God, Bhudda, Allah, etc.......then you are right about me. I have no time for such nonsence, which is why you and I are here. Am here to clean out your brainwashing. Also no need saying christianity is false and Islam is true without voicing the fact or wisdom you have. I assure you that Islam only differs from Christianity because of the Story of Jesus(Anubi Isa), Mohammed and Gospel or Hadith. Everything else ranging from History of creation is same.

@Demiroee

thanks for taking a seat. Am sure you wont be disappointed.

@chik001
 
I do understand what you mean by God, Jesus Christ, Christianity or Christians are all attached together.  We need to understand the difference in dependent and non-dependent occurrence, activities, or events. To fully explain this we will have to go back directly to the beginning.
 
WHY?

The Christian is dependent on the existence of Christianity as a religion. The existence of Christianity is dependent on the death and resurrection of the Messiah called Jesus Christ. The existence of Jesus Christ depends on God existing.

I want to be sure you agree with my statement of dependency. If no objections I will continue shortly........................

Continue, am all ears bro...
Posted: at 17-09-2010 07:01 PM (13 years ago) | Gistmaniac
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- democrazy at 17-09-2010 07:38 PM (13 years ago)
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I will oblige and continue........

Now we are going to query history systematically.
Since I was not born nor a witness in that era.
I will have to use all the information available to me to decipher stories that are true of events that occurred in that era.

The first point of call for this topic is the source of God knowledge to me, THE BIBLE.

The first bible I owned personally was the Gideon’s Bible. It was easy to have a Gideon’s bible as the Gideons distribute more that 56 million Bibles and New Testaments every year since 1908. Later I was furnished with “THE KING JAMES BIBLE”. Through the learning passed unto me, by my parents, pastors, and friends, I learnt to know a God existed and I can know more about him from reading the bible.
   
THE BIBLE, like novels, or story books, is a book containing writings that are supposedly true of the beginning of life on earth.

Like a questioning soul, I wondered if the bible was written at that time by God himself.

The answer i received was that the bible is a compilation of books written by different people.
The people where each inspired by God at the time they wrote.
The oldest of these writers was Moses who is credited with writing the first five books of the bible including the laws from God.

Moses was born in Egypt on the 7th of Adar of the year 2368 from creation (1393 BCE) and passed away on his 120th birthday -- Adar 7, 2488 (1273 BCE).

I will start with MOSES.

It will be childish of me to state that the bible in my hand was that written by Moses or to instigate that the words of the bible present today are not the true words of Moses.  We all know paper was not in use in 1345 BC. As the wood-derived paper still used today was developed in A.D. 105 by Chinese inventor Tsai Lun. He was the first to create a thin, flat sheet or tissue from mostly bark, hemp, and other fibrous materials such as rags. Not that there was no writing material in Egypt in 1393 BC. Note that the word PAPER derives from the Greek term for the ancient Egyptian writing material called papyrus, which was formed from beaten strips of papyrus plants. So Moses could have written on papyrus.

Am I free to assume that the paper Bible is a similar, if not exact copy of Moses’ history of the first five books?
Posted: at 17-09-2010 07:38 PM (13 years ago) | Gistmaniac
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- ajepakoromance at 17-09-2010 08:42 PM (13 years ago)
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@demo permit me to say, Anyone who attack personality on this forum should be neglected..We are adults.Adults are known for their responsibility..So lets keep to the topic not attacking or shitting the attention to personality...

Forum topic,''I can prove christianity is fake''..If you are in support, state your reason and if against state your reason..

This is not a place to show ignorance via ones feeling and emotions or to defend ones ignorance via subjective believes,no.
Let me remind everyone once again,we are here to learn..
Posted: at 17-09-2010 08:42 PM (13 years ago) | Upcoming
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