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« posted : August 09, 2008, 05:28:16 PM »
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Recently,the Governor of the 19 States in Northern Nigeria issued a statement via the Niger State Governor Dr. Babangida Alihu,saying they dont need Niger Delta OIL to survive.How true is this statement?Put more succinctly,can the North(as it is now)live without the Petro-dollar from the Niger Delta oil?Let's hget ur objective views on this?

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« posted : August 27, 2008, 10:21:27 AM »
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WHAT I HAVE DISCOVERED OVER THE YEARS IS THAT OIL IN PARTICULAR IS A CURSE! LOOK AROUND THE WORLD AND YOU WILL FIND THAT MOST DEVELOPED NATIONS WERE'NT OIL PRODUCING NATIONS. JAPAN, US, UK, RUSSIA, GERMANY... YOU NAME THE REST. BUT WAIT A MINUTE, WHAT IS THE FATH OF THOSE ARAB OIL GIANTS? WAR, LAZINESS, FEAR, MONARCHY, ETC. OR BETTER STILL, WHAT CAN THEY ACTUALLY OFFER THE WORLD? OIL...IN IT CRUDE FORM I GUESS. VERTUALLY NOTHING, NOT EVEN REFINING TECHNOLOGY. FOR YOUR INFORMATION, ADVANCED COUNTRIES OF THE WORLD ARE MORE FOCUSED ON DEVELOPING THEIR HUMAN RESOURCE AND NOT OIL, AS IT IS THE ONLY SUSTAINABLE MEANS OF DEVELOPMENT. ONLY LAZY PEOPLE THINK ABOUT MAKING MONEY FROM RESOURCES, WHICH OFCOURSE IT IS BY COINCIDENCE THAT THEY HAPPEN TO BE THERE, IT COULD HAVE BEEN THE NORTHERNERS IN THE NIGER DELTA.

MY FRIEND, IF YOU THINK NIGERIAN MASSES AS A WHOLE (NOT TALKING ABOUT THE NORTH FOR NOW) ARE SURVIVING ON OIL, THEN THINK AGAIN. GO AROUND THE VILLAGES AND TELL ME ANY SIGN OF OIL DOLLARS. FOR YOUR INFORMATION, MOST NATIONS WITHOUT OIL ARE DOING BETTER THAN THEIR OIL PRODUCING COUNTER-PARTS.

AGAIN, IF THE NIGER DELTA PEOPLE WHERE TO BE LEFT TO CONTROL THEIR OIL???, THEN THEY WOULD HAVE SEEN THE END OF PEACE, COS EVERY VILLAGE AND HELMET WOULD WANT TO CONTROL THEIR SO-CALLED OIL. INFACT NIGER DELTA WILL DIS-INTEGRATE INTO SEVERAL AUTONOMOUS COUNTRIES...GOD FORBID.

LASTLY, AS A NORTHERNER, I WOULD LIKE TO SINCERELY ADVISE THE NIGER DELTA PEOPLE TO EXPLORE THE OPTION OF HUMAN RESOURCE DEVELOPMENT IN THE AREA OF SCIENCE, TECHNOLOGY, AGRICULTURE AS A VERITABLE MEANS OF LIBERATING THEMSELVES FROM THEIR PREDICAMENT AND EQUALLY FOCUSE ON MORAL RE-ORIENTATION OF THEIR YOUNG ONES SO THAT THEY DON'T GROW UP IN THE LIGHT OF PEOPLE LIKE ODILI, DSP ALA AND ALL THOSE NIGER DELTA GOVERNORS THAT HAVE STOLEN THEIR STATE ALLOCATIONS AND DEPOSITED IN FOREIGN ACCOUNTS, LIVING THEIR PEOPLE WITH GUNS, POVERTY AND ENVIRONMENTAL DEGRADATION. AS FOR WE THE NORTHERNERS, OUR GRAND FATHERS LIVED BETTER AND IN A MORE PEACEFUL NORTH WITHOUT OIL THAN WE ARE LIVING NOW WITH OIL. IT WILL BE OUR PLEASURE TO RE-EXPERIENCE THE PAST. ATLEAST WE HAVE PLENTY FOOD TO EAT AND LAND TO BUILD HOUSES AND FARM. BESIDES WE HAVE PLENTY OF RESOURCES THAT WE COULD DEVELOP AND MAKE TWICE AS MUCH AS NIGERIA IS MAKING FROM OIL! WHO SAYS THERE IS NO OIL AND GAS IN THE NORTH??? ONLY TIME SHALL TELL.

THE NIGER DELTA PEOPLE SHOULD TAKE IT EASY, OIL IS NOT EVERYTING AND NOT HAVING IS NOT THE END OF HOPE. A WORD IS ENOUGH FOR THE WISE!

SHAMSUDDEEN MAHMOUD
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« posted : August 27, 2008, 06:59:36 PM »
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THE NORTH DO NOT NEED THE OIL TO SURVIVE. INFACT THEY ARE PROVIDING VIRTUALLY EVERY VEGETABLE AND FOOD ITEM CONSUMED BY EVERY FAMILY IN THE SOUTH. THEY DON'T NEED THE OIL. INFACT THE SOUTH NEED THE NORTH MORE THAN THEY REALIZE. WHAT THE OIL DOES IS TO PROVIDE THEIR GOVERNMENTS WITH THEIR SHARE OF THEIR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT AS MEMBERS OF THIS NATION. 
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« posted : August 27, 2008, 07:46:28 PM »
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Niger Delta's will not know the gravity of what they are doing until after 2years from now,  I expected them to have gone after people like Ibori, Odili, Lucky of edo state, Alams, Goodluck, Tinibu, and many more that has their money, instead they keep chasing shadows and kidnapping for money, I wonder if they know that almost all the so called little African countries now have oil and the interest is shifting daily from the almighty N/Delta. don't be surprise equipment leaves Nigeria everyday for other Africa countries and they never come back. Dead Bodi leave who kill am dey look ceiling.
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« posted : August 28, 2008, 12:34:37 PM »
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   The north definitely cannot survive without Najadelta so they tred carefully and watch the words they utter.
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« posted : August 28, 2008, 12:39:23 PM »
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How can fish survive without water? Huh?
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« posted : August 28, 2008, 07:51:57 PM »
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both of them need each other to survive is all about i give you, you give  me
the oil spilage has distroy the soil in the naija delta crops cannot grow properly
there and the north need the to survive like nation.
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« posted : August 30, 2008, 07:05:17 PM »
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hmmm....in case u never knew notherners are the best and most successful husslers.
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« posted : August 30, 2008, 11:14:56 PM »
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SANUNKU!
You all ve said ur bits.Now let's leave the realm of ethnic based sentimentalism and face the existential realities of the contemporary Nigerian Political-Economy.
Shamsuddeen above made some very pertinent points that I cannot ignore.

Firstly,he said "oil is a curse".It seem true if taken on its face value.However,that statement is untrue after further enlightened scrutiny.OIL IS NOT A CURSE.IT IS OUR MISMANAGEMENT OF IT THAT A CURSE.The United Arab Emerate & Bahrain,that are managing their Oil revenues well & diversifying their economies are doing well. Unfortunately,the North ve presided over this mismanagement of every facet of the Nigerian social formation longer than any other region.

Secondly,he was right when he said "most of the Developed States of the world are not oil producing".However,I'll want him to know that that is not entirely true.The US and Russia are Oil Producing States(O.P.S)Russia supplies many European states oil & gas.U can find out more on this.
Thirdly,in as much as I totally agree with him on the need for us to pay more attention to the development of quality HUMAN CAPITAL,I beg 2 humbly disagree with his thesis on Niger Delta oil being a Coincidence.Anybody that know anything about oil exploration & exploitation,& its negative externalities to the host community will not dare say that.It's like telling the people of Jos or Enugu that the destruction of their environment caused by Tin & Coal exploitations were mere coincidence.This is the crux of the matter.It is this belief that Oil is a coincidence,that ve fueled the Northern arrogance that's at the heart of this crisis.You cannot call the degradation of a people's environment,the loss of their culture & tradition occupations & means of livelihood a mere coincidence.Is like going to Rano,Doguwa,Shanono or Beebeji in Kano to destroy their farms & say its a coincidence.

Fourthly,he talked about the looting by Niger Delta rulers.I'll want him to show me 1 Northern ruler from Pre-Independence to date that ve not stole from the Common Wealth.

Also,he said"AS FOR WE THE NORTHERNERS, OUR GRAND FATHERS LIVED BETTER AND IN A MORE PEACEFUL NORTH WITHOUT OIL THAN WE ARE LIVING NOW WITH OIL".Yes they did.They did because they enjoyed 100% of the revenue that come from their produce from 1946-1957 before the Raisman Commission was set up.They enjoyed 50% Derivation % another 30% from the Distributive Pool based on Population & Land Mass.Yes ur Grand Father built ABU & BUK with such moneys.But when Nigeria was an Agrarian economy.So now that we ve an Oil Economy why cant the Niger Delta Children who were suffering when ur Grand parents were enjoying ve their turn?

Furthermore,Shamsuddeen,was right when he said Oil is not everything.Yet it contributes more than 85% of our GNP and over 90% of our Foreign Exchange earnings.
In concuding my Shamsuddeen section,I'd say,We cannot & should not waste our time in attempting to deny the pivotal place of the Niger Delta in the Nigerian Political Economy.

CHEDEE
I dont know what part of the world u re.But definitely not Nigeria of 2008. 90% of the money used to pay the 44 LGA Chairmen(including my favorite Buharin Dala.lolz) in Kano come from the Niger Delta. I think you are joking when you mentioned vegetable etc.Do u think the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia,UAE& Quatar  produce food?The Petrodollar that comes from their resource take care of that. Can you show me one state in the North that can survive for 4 months without Federal Allocations?Dan Allah,yaakuri daya!just one.
What share of constitutional right are u talking about?Which constitution?Is it the Constitution that was drafted by the Hausa-Fulani elite to serve their interest?Why is the North so much against true Federalism if they can survive with just Vegetable and other food items?The answer is the North will collapse withing 1 year without oil money.

SIGNALPUTTE
Who cares if the Oil multinationals are relocating to other countries?To the people of the Niger Delta,that's good news.It means that the will witness less Acid Rain,Polution & dislocation of their local economies.
You said other African countries are discovering Oil.How is that the business of the Niger Delta people?Why not tell me that the North has started exporting Oil? 
Please be informed,Tinubu is not and ll never be a Niger Deltan.So his name ve no business in this discuss.As 4 the gravity,only time ll tell.

Khadijah Yarinya DadiIlolz.
I know some Northers are hustlers.But the majority are not.I am waiting for U 2 show me how the millions of Almagiries I see everyday are hustlers.I am waiting for U 2 show me how the Civil servants that come go Audu Bako Secretariate by 2pm for work after Masalashi are hustlers.lolz 
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« posted : August 31, 2008, 01:08:10 PM »
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if not y are they the richest bunch?
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« posted : August 31, 2008, 04:14:50 PM »
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The Northerners,despite their long stay in power & stealing are the poorest bunch.Who ever told u they are the richest lied.Let's face the facts.out of the over 20 banks in the country today,how many is headed or found by a Northerner?All the telecom companies in the country,which one is owned by a Northerner?None!Can U point out one viable oil company that is owned by a Northerner?(pls dont call Dantata organization.U'll make me cry)lol.Let's talk about the Insurance sector.Pls name 3 insurance companies that is controlled by a Northerner.Which other sector of the Nigerian economy are we to talk about?I know u're itching 2 tell me about Alhaji Aliko Dangote & his wealth.How many other Northerners can U point out?
I've lived in the North.So I know that their are more poor people there than any part of Nigeria.All the Billions of Oil moneys stolen by the elite there is for their personal use & not 4 the society.They intentionally disempower  the Northern youths so they ll be easy tools 4 their political plots.They can give some Almagiries 5000 Naira to cause a huge crisis 2 destabilize their states.
U ve fear more Northerners as beggars on the streets of Nigerian city.So,I still cant reconcile U claim that the Northerners are richer with the reality on the ground.The North is only powerful when it's in power.Period! 
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« posted : August 31, 2008, 11:05:27 PM »
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and isnt it the people in political power that back these companies...?
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« posted : September 01, 2008, 07:53:11 AM »
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As you rightly pointed out, it is the elites that should be held accountable not the poor masses in the north Godsson. According to you, you have lived in the north and you saw the condition of the masses in the north. When discussing issues as this mentioned the names of the leaders that stole from the NigerDelta. The way you claim that you have stayed in the north that is how some of us have stayed in the South South not staying there but were given birth there.

Your leaders in the South South are busy enriching themselves with money made for the development of the region and at the same time diverting the youths attention from what they have been doing to the youths in that region and everyone wants to put the blame on the north. All we need is solution not unnecessarily blaming one another. I have watch events unfolding with real interest. Some may say "Is it now that the Northerns want a solution" Believe me that if it affect  all of us one way or the other. Putting blame on the northerns that find it really difficult to feed is not the solution. I remember growing up as a kid in Port Harcourt River States, the place was so peaceful and I have alot of friends there that I wish I can visit but I'm too afraid to do so because I don't know what may befall me. And the funny thing is that I don't know anything about this fuel that is causing so much problem. Our youths were over night changed to terrorists because of a few selfish individuals in the society that we elect to represent our interest. If I did offend some of you gentlemen and women with my comment I'm sorry but I own no elite in the society any apologise because they are the cause of our present problems. 

I so much love the South South people because they are hospitable and friendly. They welcome all people from all parts of the country without any reservation. I can go on and on. Please let us all continue to pray for a peaceful solution to this problem.
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« posted : September 01, 2008, 08:27:01 AM »
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Every region of this country can survive on it own because Nigeria is a blessed country with abundant mineral resources but the elite wouldn't allow that because Fuel is the easier way to enriched themselves and their generation yet unborn.

Some of them have even started stocking ill gotten wealth for the grand children they have not seen and may even not see. We truly have very selfish people in the society. Like my ex-state governor that did not do anything in the state. I wish the hand of the law will really deal with him. I happen to have the opportunity to do a little teaching practice in my state. I was really disapponited with the level of illiteracy. There wasn't incentives to encouraged the teachers and alot of things were really wrong with the system and my ex-state governor is claiming that he is innocent. Those helping him need to be prosecuted along with him. My state is Taraba State and alot of people in the country doesn't know where it is situated talk more of foreigners. Any time someone asked me where I come from and I happen to mention Taraba State, They always say that I'm just making it up especially the foreigners. It pains me becauseI have to put up with this as an indigene. If not for the Social Studies and current affairs, the entire good citizen of the country may not know except maybe for the policy makers. Before people asking could understand,  I have to start explaining by using the Ex-Vice President of the country owns State. Even If I mentioned Former Gongola, some will start asking funny questions. This is to tell you the backwardness of the North and problems we are facing in the North too. So where is the Money from the fuel going into but into the pocket of few selfish elites in the society.
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« posted : September 01, 2008, 10:05:45 AM »
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well, diff people with diff opinions....
 From what we have in Nigeria now, the north cant leave without the niger delta oil. tell me what else gives the nations its largest revenue than oil and gas. if the north tells me that they can go back to their farms and make a great deal out there, then i have to ask what powers the machinery that does the work .........
 politically we see the north coming into then oil and gas sector than Niger delta people because they know that the oil and gas business GIves them the money they take to their farms.
how much can a farmer in Nigeria (north) have compare to that of oil and gas.
                              The best is not to compare because the Niger delta holds this nation.cheers
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